tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5127977175298485373.post3442906894100381134..comments2023-10-01T08:40:34.503-07:00Comments on Episcopal Journey of Hope: An Over Heated Episcopal LiturgyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05776475116127746642noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5127977175298485373.post-21754449621462803272012-06-12T04:27:17.561-07:002012-06-12T04:27:17.561-07:00That's it! Canned vegetables! The metaphor is ...That's it! Canned vegetables! The metaphor is spot on! I use "Fresh" as much as possible! And as a clergy person, I do Fresh as much as possible. It has taken me 7 years to shake some cobwebs out of the rafters. But it is now the norm rather than the "subversive" as some would want to classify it. Sometimes, we simply have to ask forgiveness, rather than permission and work outside the box. (could also stand for church...) I am an advocate of the Celtic form of Spirituality, both in my personal worship and in the life of my congregation. It has been freeing and liberating on many fronts. Thanks for a great post! Greatly appreciated and will be shared.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12805266549148870241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5127977175298485373.post-11407441040911106382012-06-11T07:56:21.997-07:002012-06-11T07:56:21.997-07:00Cathy, I agree with much of what you write. I also...Cathy, I agree with much of what you write. I also note that in the theory presented a lack of clergy imagination and effort, however important as the primary liturgical leader, is one of a concoction of problems involving: general expectations about what any eucharistic liturgy can in fact bear the weight of, the sheer frequency of celebration, issues of physical, emotional and spiritual architecture (what do I see, feel and am drawn toward in worship), relational factors of intimacy (who I am with or not) in the sacramental moment and so on, not the least of which is what used to be called "preparation for worship," or what we each bring into our sacred space (homework). Clergy imagination does not hurt! But lay and clergy leadership together, sheer planning and mutual discipline and expectation of roles, mindfulness in regard to high quality life in community and sensitivity to all contextual levels (in journalism called who, what, when,where and why) are in the mix. Thanks for sparking my thinking.Ron Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18152111587171163605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5127977175298485373.post-52545246039518236002012-06-11T07:37:59.104-07:002012-06-11T07:37:59.104-07:00Without having the benefit of the metaphor of &quo...Without having the benefit of the metaphor of "overheating," I began to feel growing dissatisfaction with eucharistic liturgy as the frequency and casual application of it to almost any situation started occurring in the late 70's. No matter what the meeting, we seemed to have to "throw in" a Eucharist. More and more I found myself as a priest and Rector trying to avoid or refuse doing "it" for just any occasion. I now know why. I didn't like canned vegetables as a child, and I don't like the equivalent in liturgy. Bill, what a helpful insight. Now we face the many tasks around retrieval of the sacrament. The Celtic models does help.Ron Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18152111587171163605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5127977175298485373.post-64568043441643796782012-06-11T07:34:36.887-07:002012-06-11T07:34:36.887-07:00Hi, Bill. As usual, your reasoning is clear and ri...Hi, Bill. As usual, your reasoning is clear and right - but I think that what you describe is not necessarily "so" in all our churches. that is to say, we do nto use screens, but we don't expect or urge people to follow in the prayer book, either - since in reality they mostly know the words - We sing a lot - and not all from the hymnal,either. They qare not quiet - since our announcements, prayer requests and actual spontaneous prayer IN the prayers of the people are often lengthy and dominated by the people's comments and prayers, not the clergy's - We make a big deal of using different kinds of real bread for each liturgical season, of decoraint dramatically for each season, etc so that I would say that in our little congregation the liturgy is NOT overheated by reliance on print - There is a great deal of trutn i what you write - I went to a funeral recently that was entirely as you say - print-determined, clergy-dominated and consequenty both dull and joy-less, privatized, as you say - but that is not the fault of the liturgical traditionwe have, but of a massive failure of imagination among the clergy... Cathy+, St Alban's, BolivarCathy Coxnoreply@blogger.com